Has anyone ever seen an original 1936 proof set. Update: Here is a 1936 ORIGINAL proof set.

GFourDriver

I would love to see what an original 1936 proof set looks like. How were they packaged? Does anyone have a picture? Are there any on the market?

John

RichieURich

I have recently purchased what I would consider an original 1936 proof set. I don't know what the original packaging was, but now it is in a black cardboard holder with mylar slides. PM if you want more info.

SanctionII

Search for "Recently Acquired Collection" and "Recently Acquired Collection, The Sequel" to bring up threads from last year posted by a gentleman whose grandfather died, leaving quite an extensive collection of coins he had collected from the 1930's forward. Many pictures of the coins in the collection were posted, including pictures of proof sets from 1936-1942 that were still in the original mint packaging.

If the pics in those threads are still present, you can see some really, really nice coins.

BECOKA

Nope can't say that I have but will try to follow Sanction II's suggestion soon.

coindeuce

You won't find a Proof set from 1936 in Treasury Department set packaging, because it didn't exist. The coins were sold on an individual basis, and would likely have been shipped individually wrapped in anti-tarnish tissue. The possibility does exist however of an original group of 1936 Proof coins as ordered from the Mint having survived to date. The black die cut holders which were mentioned above were probably obtained from the Meghrig Company, which was one of the earliest manufacturers of holders for Proof sets.

Mark

SanctionII's suggestion is right on the money. I was interested in how those coins had toned. While I do not think the toning terribly attractive but it was almost surely 100% original. That fact made the coins signficantly more attractive to me than otherwise.

segoja

One did have to purchase the coins as singles. If you bought 1 of each they were stapled together. The latter years (40's) did come in a box if you purchased one of each. The box is slightly bigger than the boxes used rom 1950-55.

If you ordered 5 cents, 5 nickels etc. Each denomination was stapled together.

Hope that helps.

BXBOY143

you should ask this guy...original unopened?

best regards

-Paul

CaptHenway

We did once buy in an original 1936 proof set that was packaged just like the 1950-1955 sets. Five cellophane sleeves stapled together.

Another time we bought in ten 1942 proof cents, each in individual sleeves, all ten stapled together and put in a cardboard box, plus ten 1942-P Type Two proof nickels the same way, FROM THE ORIGINAL MINT BUYER!

TD

MrEureka

I believe I saw a group of original 1936-42 proof sets in the original mailing envelopes. (They were in a Sotheby's auction. If I recall correctly, the auction was of the John and Rebbecca Moores collection.) I still have a 1938 or 39 mailer from that sale, but the coins are now slabbed and long gone. The point is that these coins did not come boxes. Inside the envelope the coins were in cellophane wrappers, and they may not have been stapled together.

RichieURich

As requested, here are pix of the 1936 proof set. The first set is the entire holder, the next 2 photos are obv. and rev. Pix are scans, actual coins look better.

coindeuce

Rich, thats a Meghrig holder for sure. I beleive the company was based out of upstate N.Y. in the 1940's.

RichieURich

<< <i>Rich, thats a Meghrig holder for sure. I beleive the company was based out of upstate N.Y. in the 1940's. >>



Thanks, Coindeuce! I did check the holder for a manufacturer or stock number; didn't find any markings on it.

lasvegasteddy

awesome set rich

LincolnCentMan

I saw one, like 15 years ago. It was a real dog of a set. That's probably why they werent in slabs.

-David

Meltdown

<< <i>you should ask this guy...original unopened?

best regards

-Paul >>



Ebay name Dbcooper sounds like he might dissapear with your money?

cucamongacoin

What a coincidence. I happened to be visiting at my favorite B&M yesterday, when the mailman (lady) delivered two packages from PCGS. After the owner and his sons opened the packages and oggled for a minute, Randy let me browse through the treasures. It was all of the better coins from a run of 1936 through 1942 original Proof sets. The '36 Buff was an absolutely gorgeous Satin 67, with pastel rings in blue/ green/yellow. The half was equally appealling, quite obviously original, with a hint of similar color covering most of the centers, but it was graded only as a 64, to everyone's amazement, particularly when compared side by side to 65s and 66s of the later dates. The cent was 65 Red, with a few faint specks on the reverse apparently the reason for the grade, though it was surely on the cusp of 66, and had quite strong cameo contrast. We didn't discuss what form of holders they were in when purchased, (I'll have to ask him) but these were all quite obviously original and well preserved from the time of issue. It was quite a group.

Davidbaston

My grandfather has a 1936 proof set in the original mailer box that has never been open that he got from his dad. I will see him in a couple weeks and take some photos and post them.

pb2y

These are still found in Capitol Slabs. Gotta put
your name on a long waiting list.

Davidbaston

Ok Here it is. Just got it. It has never been open.
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GFourDriver

Thank you David, thats awesome.

Davidbaston

Sorry.

speety

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Just click on the img bar at photobucket and paste it in. Nothing else needed; don't click the img icon on this website.

Edit -- A little too slow, looks like you got it!
Second Edit -- Editing since you figured it out, as did Bochiman, and I don't think we need THAT many of the same pics in a thread -- What he said... first time i've ever quoted someone who posted after I did

garsmith

I have never seen one in OMP but I have seen ones, claimed to be original, in Capitol holders. Most likely those where not original sets but built sets.

Bochiman

Editing since you figured it out, as did Speety, and I don't think we need THAT many of the same pics in a thread

Davidbaston

Ok its done.

fc

i find it interesting that the pics show 0 toning.
makes one wonder where all the toned monsters come from during
that era... if a boxed up set like that shows 0 toning.

makes one think! almost like any set showing toning were removed
long ago from the cellophane and one could hardly call them original
anymore once handled and played with in unknown ways.

i like them in the original packaging and think it would make a neat
buy!

GFourDriver

72 years old and they still look like the day they left the mint....
Not too many of those still in existence.

Davidbaston

Nicest I've ever seen! 0 toning and 0 marks!

garsmith

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I want that walker

Davidbaston

I sent 1/2, Qtr. and dime to pcgs to be graded and all came back PR-61. I think that is a joke!!! Some very small marks on half's body viewed with 16X and the feilds look to have lines from the blank being polished before struck. Has any one else had this problem? Its no wonder pop is so high people break them out and send them in again or to the other companies.

coinkid855

Fixed your picture links...

nvm....didn't look on second page...lol


-Paul

GFourDriver

Updated to provide an idea what an original proof set from the 30's looks like.

coolest

Cool!!

jmski52

Beautiful gems, and beautifully kept.

BobGreene

That set was broken up and slabbed? What a shame!!

19Lyds

It's only a shame if the packaging was not contributing to the detriment of the coins.

The cellophane envelopes these were shipped in were not intended for long term storage and often times became exremely brittle. Combine that with the "staple" (which in some cases would actually rust) and its a recipe for disaster! I would really hate to open a box of these to discover that the coins had slipped from the envelopes and came in contact with that staple.

commoncents05

I don't know how I missed this thread, very awesome!!

-Paul

darktone

<< <i>I sent 1/2, Qtr. and dime to pcgs to be graded and all came back PR-61. I think that is a joke!!! Some very small marks on half's body viewed with 16X and the feilds look to have lines from the blank being polished before struck. Has any one else had this problem? Its no wonder pop is so high people break them out and send them in again or to the other companies. >>




$hit! There must be some kind of problen to grade PR61? enviremental damage? Did a mint employee give them a little cleaning before they shipped. This is really interesting. I think I would try for a presidential review and a link to this thread. An explanation is needed here.

mkman123

guys, I can't find the thread that Sanction said to search for. Can someone send a link?

GoldenEyeNumismatics

<< <i>I sent 1/2, Qtr. and dime to pcgs to be graded and all came back PR-61. I think that is a joke!!! Some very small marks on half's body viewed with 16X and the feilds look to have lines from the blank being polished before struck. Has any one else had this problem? Its no wonder pop is so high people break them out and send them in again or to the other companies. >>



The mirrors probably aren't very strong.

Weak mirrors typically means a low grade.

darktone

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<< <i>I sent 1/2, Qtr. and dime to pcgs to be graded and all came back PR-61. I think that is a joke!!! Some very small marks on half's body viewed with 16X and the feilds look to have lines from the blank being polished before struck. Has any one else had this problem? Its no wonder pop is so high people break them out and send them in again or to the other companies. >>



The mirrors probably aren't very strong.

Weak mirrors typically means a low grade. >>




An original coin should grade higher than 61 in my book. Now if it graded 64-65 I would say weak mirrors would be an acceptable explanation.

RWB

Regarding the absence of deep toning on the 1936 proofs, shown above. It is not unusual for sets that have been unopened and stored in moderate humidity to be nearly equal to the day they were struck. Cellophane envelopes were pretty good at preventing air circulation, and the sealed box helped even though the paper had a lot of sulfur.

Also, notice the crisp reeding on the proofs. This feels almost knife-like when you hold the coin, and disappears quickly with limited handling. It seems a shame to remove these their original packaging and put them in character-less numeric-style tombs.

robkool

Nice 36' proof set you got there... PF61 by pcgs ??? OUCH !!! I would probably feel better by keeping those coins in it's OGP.

Mark

mkman123:

Here is a link to one of the "Recently Acquired Collection" threads with a picture of what I am 100% sure is an original 1941 proof set: Original 1941 proof set A bit further along in the thread are some additional pictures.

Mark